Dream a little dream of me.. (1090FX speculation and thoughts)

By: dava4444

Posted 7/18/13 • Last updated 7/20/13 • 767 views • 10 comments

Hi guys

been thinking about this off and on for around a year now. AMD 1090FX

AMD produced the 990FX two years ago now.. and at the time, their heads were up in the clouds with APU innovation, and quite rightly they should be proud! the AMD APU's today boast the best IGP's you can buy for cash money! they even let you crossfire these with low end cards, they have also released couple of chipsets for the FM socket. already you can see they have put a lot of work into this new innovation.. this is perhaps why.. as yet no 1090FX chipset.

The 990FX while good in it's day .. is getting on a bit.. I recently joked with a friend 'there is code in that chip, that even the Tardis can't translate' not true.. but I thought it funny at the time. The question for me was 'Do AMD expect me to give up and change to APUs, just to get a new chipset??' .. you might say 'oh the 990FX is fine!' and yes, you'd be right.. its fine.. okay.. acceptable. does the job. .. but if I could dream..

The 1090FX would have.. on chip drivers. An expanded UEFI flash chip much greater in size, which includes every driver for the whole motherboard.

And built in wifi.. why? surely no gamer ever uses wifi.. erm..correct.. I wouldn't trust it either... but when I do a fresh install it is so valuable and hassle free to have wifi handy for internet access, handy for a second network path (streaming from/to other comps) handy for sharing internet access to other computers.. not essential..but..

I would like to see more RAM slots on the motherboard, 4 is okay.. mediocre.. but 6 or 8 appeal to me, meaning I would not have to lose usable RAM modules to gain overall capacity, also if I choose I could put smaller capacity modules in and use the channels perhaps more effectively* ...

I would like to see DDR3.. but in the DDR4 range of speed, supported on the cpu memory controller and the next FX chipset/cpu range to have out of the box 3Ghz northbridge. at least. .. yes at least AMD! .. feeling totally narky about AMD's pants northbridges. I know the plan is system on chip, but cmon! if the northbridge is slow it chokes both the RAM and the PCIE bus.. flip! and we are meant to be happy with 2 something gigahertz and a tiny *token* heatsink? the Vishera is a fine chip but you put her in old clothes.. how are we meant to show her off when her dress is so tatty ..and all her friends (fans) know it! She should eat cake of a less 'Great Expectations' variety. or to put it another way, you can't kung fu kick Intel wearing clogs.

PCIE 3 with up to 6 lanes.. why? because we know this chipset is to last a couple of years and by then AMD and Nvidia might have opened up SLI/XCF to greater than 4 cards per respective multi protocol. I would like to see x16 only lanes.. why when the bandwidth effects so little? But when gaming in SuperHD you DO take an impact for x8 lanes.. this is only from my experience in SLI.. but check it out for yourself.

Unified northbridge southbridge and vrm/mosfet motherboard location with a big heatsink and fan slapped on. Something like Intel does now. Yes, this is copying them a bit.. quite a bit, but really they got this right! it was staring everyone in the face for years and they got there first.

I want to talk a little about AMD's plan for 'system on chip' ..To quote Futurama '..Welcome to the world of tomorrow!' .. why can't we have performance APUs beside the consumer ones? It makes total sense to me.. I really like Nvidia, they are familiar and very smooth. but if AMD started dropping the high end GPU's into a performance APU.. I think it would be, to pun, 'game over' for Nvidia. Crossfire IGP high performance.. ready to go! high end CPU and high end GPU combined with a high end card.. oh flip! .. but to regress, AMD don't have a chipset good enough to handle all of this.. being honest I don't know the FM chipsets first hand at all, but i don't think they are ready yet.. why? because if they were, AMD is smart enough to be doing this already. I had a look at the FM chipsets.. while they seem, efficient enough for now, in a year or two's time, I don't think this design is good enough to maintain the idea of a performance APU.

8 CPU cores, 2 GPU cores, Cache, Memory Controller, Northbridge, SouthBridge. I often think.. who cares how big the end chip is? the Vishera is sizable, but even if we had it twice the size, yes, that might sound stupid because of heat issues, but bear with me.. the performance we would get is unlike anything any other company could touch or think of touching. Heat issues would be very bad, yes, correct, but you're dealing with enthusiast chips here..

'go water, or go home'

I heard an acquaintance say on the subject of current AMD cpus. I think that is a witty and not altogether untrue quip.

System on chip solves the chipset problem, only copper and plastic remains.. I guess writing this I talked myself out of wanting the 1090FX chipset and my true desires came out.

Do I want AMD to 'win' flip no! I think a open market is a healthy market, but do I want them to do well.. yeah I kinda do..

peace


Dava





*but i am unsure of this as I have never had the opportunity to see many channels used effectively.

The Seasons of a System Builder ..

By: dava4444

Posted 7/9/13 • Last updated 7/16/13 • 428 views • 8 comments

[This is intended to be a light-hearted fun article, please enjoy ...and try not to be too serious, as it would make the ponies cry!]

Hi guys!


Well it's summer.. which I call 'building season' , I like staying up late at night working on a build with the window fully open, hearing the sounds of my town during the night.. I pretend I am in some sort of Alfred Hitchcock-ian New York, like the movie 'Rear Window' except without all the murder business. Recently I thought this should be dubbed 'Building and Case Tidying season' ..and if you have no money for parts.. then a case tidy is not the worst thing you could do instead.

Summer is too hot to bench.. as you may know, it is not until Winter that the usual main benching happens, this is called by many 'Benching Season'. I live in Scotland and during Winter It gets pretty cold.. not too bad.. but sometimes pretty cold. Ambients from 0C to 8C is the norm. I have my PC on my Windowsil, so the heat escapes straight away, in winter I enclose my curtains around my Rig, leave both windows open a crack. warm inside the house and cold outside. nice!

Summer has many mixed blessings for builders, gaming gets a little harder because of the ambient temps, and so the noise must increase, but on the other hand.. you get to build! those long..loooong sunny lazy evenings.. leading quietly into the night ahead..as dark falls.. sometimes its hard.. pouring of sweating, sometimes peaceful..

The '1 am break' for me is not really a 'break' but I always seem to stop for a little bit and think about life. then around 2:30am .. it suddenly gets cold here.. good thing because.. otherwise I would forget to eat.. I go into my kitchen and close the rear window and get something to eat.

Autumn (for me YMMV) is 'Gaming Season'.. the new releases come out.. like a débutante meeting her male fancies at a ball. This happens in Spring also, but if you indulge me a thought, Spring is for new friends, Autumn is for old friends. Spring gaming is harder with the temps vs noise, but all that didn't seem to matter.. as 'we' are just coming out of the darkness to see the sunshine.

peace

Dava

I realize this is is not my usual canter, I write about the clutter that fills our lives that should be gotten rid of.. your rights to not have old junk annoying you when you are doing something technical. but y'know gotta have a heart too..

An Underdog Has It's Day..

By: dava4444

Posted 7/2/13 • Last updated 8/17/13 • 359 views • 7 comments

Hi guys
So.. I wanted to talk a little about.. that ol'stick, the one that sits in the corner unnoticed.. but looming ever present..

AMD vs Intel. its not really 'vs' as the old fanboi-ism of yesteryear is dead like 'zombie + shotgun' .. the community has matured somewhat, and at least much less often do we hear the heated words of blind stupidity & brand loyalty without an actual 'reason'.

I use and like.. even a fan of AMD, I also like Nvidia's cards.. I like Intel Core2Quad & 2Duo too..but what I really wanted was to share some background for the newcomers to building, what on earth happened that AMD could even challenge Intel at all. For a long time.. Intel was king with the Pentium range.. no one could touch or even think of touching them..

But in 2005 (era roughly) AMD released the first 64 bit cpus.. then a year or so later dual cores.. they really caught Intel napping.. fast asleep like a little child after a bedtime story, and warm glass of milk. AMD stormed the market after years of having so-so cpus, they gave Intel a shock that ran to the 'cores'. Intel had only the Pentium 4 and quickly whipped up the Pentium D, which was a 'nightmare in drag'.. an awful horror movie where the hero is also the villain.

Well.. as you can guess. Intel was supremely embarrassed, and when they heard AMD had four cores coming...this is when they pulled their act together, like a lonely guy with a hot GF 5 days before an ugly break up. They created the Core2 Series.. it is still to my mind a thing of great beauty.. like walking around a beautiful building made of silicone.. a masterpiece.

AMD *did* bring out their 4 cores.. but it was much like the aforementioned zombie.. and still to this day should be shot on sight. AMD brought out the Phenom 1 (one) series, as contrasts go, it was the opposite Intel's structural wonder. So much so Intel gave AMD a slap in the face with release of the Q8xxx range.. just to show everyone, that even a poorly made Core2Quad could beat the Phenom 1's. and it did.

This hurt AMD is ways that would last until the Vishera came out, only last year. The Phenom one had set AMD back 4/5 years.. a boring three hour movie that you could hear the other movie goers breathing by industry standards. what happened?.. The Phenom II series kept fans alive, but didn't even touch any of Intel's stock offerings.

Intel had built on the Q9xxx .. and refined it to create the Core-i series..refining a masterpiece in efficiency. wow. Mensa start taking notes! and Intel still do to this day. the original Zambezi FX series, was a disappointment, for the fact that Phenom II could outperform it.. it wasn't until the Vishera FX came out only last year.. we had a new king in the AMD camp. The 8350 (i feel) sits nicely between the I5's and the I7's of Intels range, with the 8320 on level pegging with the top i5. all of the i7's beat the 8350 without question, but the 8350 'clips at the heels' of the lower i7's not reaching but.. almost.

it's my old adage 'AMD for price & capacity, Intel for performance & efficiency'. truck vs race car.. and this last truck, Vishera, was full of soldiers ready to shoot zombies.

peace.
Dava

Realworld Performance and What It Means to You...

For years many enthusiasts have debated hardware, I am one of them, you probably are one too, seeing you are here, on OCN..

But in these times the gaps become shorter and shorter I feel, between competitors, and we get much more 'bang for buck' then we ever could have imagined ten years ago..

it's only when a company with a large user base makes a mistake that the community really takes notice these days..

I am going to do some barrel scraping now, so cover your ears if you have sensitive hearing!

AMD vs Intel

many many moons in the past AMD trumped Intel, for one shining moment for many. and then it was gone. not to be repeated. But now with the new line from AMD, which I have myself, why should I buy a Core i7? it performs better than my CPU, its desktop performance (meaning Windows response) is better but also cost 7 times the price of my CPU. these things now seem small to me because I feel I realized something, that nowadays we have powerful enough hardware to run everything, not like the bad old days of processing video or photoshopping, now we can comfortably run a whole OS at a good speed and play the latest PC games for a reasonable price. 'Is this an advert for AMD?'..no it was my little way of saying I am happy with my rig, and feel the Vishera 8350 is a fitting processor to be AMD's flag ship.

In the 'realworld' I gain nothing moving to Intel now.. sure you could say 'but you will get more frames in games' or 'your single thread apps will start faster' but yknow.. I'm not that fussed.. even worse.. I'm actually happy with the Vishera..oh. my!

Now, to every story there are two sides..I know this.. let's take Intels..

The reason Intel has done so well is because they worked harder and smarter than AMD, over 70% of the world's CPU's are Intel, they hand pick geniuses, in all fields to fit the job that the person was born to do. and it shows in the results. I am not dis'ing AMD staff, I only say that Intel were/are richer and smarter for many a'year out of the years on top. Core 2 was a masterpiece, a breakthrough of vision, and at the time AMD had the original Phenom series, which, I feel, was not up to par. Had it been golf.. they were Tiger woods and we.. were.. the ball boy.

Again Intel comes to us with a masterpiece! the Core i series.a thing of beauty in a world of architectural silicone. why? because we know how well and efficiently it performs, and this adds beauty.

But will I buy it? no. would I buy it if i were rich? possibly. but it wouldn't be something that I would ever notice.

I mentioned Photoshop and video encoding before..

If you max out your board with very reasonably priced RAM (around 100 to 150 pounds) and a sensible CPU, (AMD or Intel ) You can work faster and be more versatile than has ever been possible in the history of computing.. flip! shove on youtube and facebook while your waiting! your system wont even notice.* I drop entire games to memory and forget for hours on end. only to come back to a still working game.

More Bang for Buck!

I feel we have came to point where, the difference is slight.. it is slighter than it has ever been.

I could go on about how much I like Nvidia.. but yknow what? right now AMD has the edge in both price and power.
I'm still with Nvidia though.. they were my first gaming card by accident. fondly. 


So i'll stop dithering and come to the point, what does paying double the price get me? not much, only a few frames more.

1. if you have an SSD

2. a modern OS.

3. quite a lot of RAM.

4. a current gen mid to high range card.

5. a current gen CPU with 6 cores or more.

What do we need all this power for? rendering? folding?
What happens in the next two gens.. what do we need all that new power for??

Soon we will out-grow operating systems, the hardware is too powerful.. no. the OS is too weak.

I have Windows 8 now.. its a bit of a pain and flakey at OC, but okay i guess.. but then again I have used Win98.

These are the things of museums.. the little window that goes side to side, minimizes and maximizes.

We have the power in out PC's now that MS had pushed us to have with Vista, but I find 'the same IS the same'.. bring on holograms and give us a challenge, involve us like every sci-fi move has promised us since we have been children!


Dava

*IF your a PRO reading this and are thinking about the office computer, no. .. please buy either professional dual socket or suffer the consequences.

NOTE: this has kind of turned out as a little ad for AMD which it wasn't supposed to. it was meant to be what is all this power for? and why do we ever need more? ALL OS's are getting bland in contrast to this powerful hardware that we all have now.

Last on the Shelf..

By: dava4444

Posted 8/1/12 • Last updated 8/6/12 • 389 views • 0 comments

The Last on the Shelf, that one, you think 'Oh! wow! a 3D game for that cheap.. but still not sure if i should risk it.' It gathers dust on the bottom of the bargain bin, and haunts your thoughts as you leave the shop.

'maybe I should'a got it??'

Here are some games that gave me mixed feelings, spoiled by stupid things and some bargains I found & really liked.

Far Cry 2

My friend said to me when I was thinking about buying Far Cry 2* 'It's a good game..well I dunno.. it has this thing were the enemies KEEP re-spawning, even after you clear out a camp 5 minutes later they come back..' HE was soo right, it's FAR too large a map for the enemies to re-spawn AT ALL! The game itself is engrossingly beautiful* the game play and mechanics are of a industry standard, on a par with well made games of it's time.. but this one little thing.. ruined the game. one thing.

What a shame! this was to be my holiday in Africa, I had enjoyed Jerusalem and Hawaii .. but I could not bear this niggle, soo i can't comment on the story because i didn't get to know much of it, which is another shame, as I had enjoyed the story so far.


Rage

Rage was the kind of game that's for casual FPS players, not in anyway an RPG... hold on, this was a post-apocalyptic game done in conjunction with Bethesda and I WASN'T to expect some heavy RPG elements? oookay..

I was all whiny baby at the time due to the Interplay/Bethesda lawsuit.. the thought of losing a Bethesda Fallout tinted my glasses darkly to this game, if this was our backup for Fallout incase Bethesda lost..we were in trouble.

but the game itself was standard fair.. but had no story, I didn't own the game but had a LoveFilm subscription, I got to the second disc and sent it back. enough said I suppose.

Battlefield 3

okay so there ARE going to be fans of the game on here, I know that. but I bought this game in anticipation of HUGE maps, the use of interesting vehicles.. and unbeknown to me, reliable game mechanics.

I installed all 20+ GB on my Xbox, and set off for my adventure, the first mission is the sniper mission.. well, I happen to be the sniper for my group, ..I don't like another sniper beating me, no snipers do, I spent two hours trying to find him and take him down, only to find out it was 'part of the story'' no, no, no. I haven't played BF games before, this was my first one, I had heard of the big maps and reasonably assuming, or so I thought, it was 'open' like an Open World game, it wasn't.

For the remainder I played the game, my hand was held, which culminated in two things, I was coming out the church, faced with about 8 to 10 hostiles I took down the first few out in the open, with not too much of a problem, but I was noticing, a pull of 5 degrees to my right on every shot, it was ticking me off, but i just went with it, I came up to the end of the street and there was like 6 guys shooting at me and I died. respawn. ..'okay I'll flank them.' The game designers had bottlenecked me in the worst way I could think of..invisible walls and fake obstacles.

I have a little talent for flying.. but after this the bad taste in my mouth just wouldn't go away, so on the jet* mission, I was so disappointed all I could think of was selling the game. on the same day I got it.


Invisible walls are my pet hate in games, they go right up there with Norton AV for PC repair*, Invisible walls, show a lack of imagination, they were used, and rightly so by Devs in the 90's due to lack of powerful hardware, they were justified.. today its like 'What on earth were you thinking??' you have no excuse, stop being lazy! I could grief on this for a whole article but no. not here. not now.


Good Games.

I have had some surprises in the last year.

I bought Bioshock 2, then 1, and totally got into Steampunk FPS. I had been a Fallout fan a year since before Bioshock, soo around 2010. I had been wary of Bioshock because I had watched the film at the start BS1, it seemed anti-catholic (which I am) but I was mistaken.. to my delight it was an anti-secular game. but I'm not going to review Bioshock here, as it's well known, and one of my new favourites. The surprise find was 'Singularity'

Singularity

Wow what an amazing game! it contained two* of the things I dislike most in games but I was riveted to the story!

the toys were fun, if a little limited, but overall good time had by all. a mix of fierce and easy-going game play, I did this game on the hardest setting and didn't run out of ammo or weapons and kept wanting to come back. I didn't play anything else except a little Minecraft and kept wanting to know more about the story. Activision 's Steampunk FPS, might not be widely known, but it made quite a hit with me.

It's full of spoilers and I am very tired, so I won't go into the plot except to say.. Russia, Cold War, Time Machine.

Night Sky

This is a chillout/puzzle game*... if you own a PS3 and have played Flower it's very much in the chillout frame of mind, Flower is more chilled, but Night Sky has some amazing 'moods' in it. Like Flower you need to play it, to know it, so again, I won't say too much, the music is spot on, although the puzzles *can* become frustrating at times, for the most part they are easy enough and require more brains than skill.

I got this game as part of a Humble Bundle, and I played it on Ubuntu, the OpenGL version is much much better than the DirectX version, which does not allow you to Scale the res. or go full screen.

I think I need my bed, so I'll leave it there.

if you want to comment, please do so, it encourages me to write and lets me know this article was read 

Peace

Dava





Notes

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*XBL version, not PC.

*(even on DirectX 9)

*(even though i could tell it was a fun mission)

*(that AV just will NOT uninstall if you have slow-ish PC!)

*invisible walls, having my hand held.

update/06/Aug/12:

I saw Rage on steam for £6.99, & bought it ..and I can see it is a beautiful game. closed in, but beautiful.

A Laymans Guide To What Overclocking Is

By: dava4444

Posted 4/15/12 • Last updated 6/1/13 • 2243 views • 3 comments

[Article] A Layman's Guide to What Overclocking is..

Hi Guys..

Sometimes it's embarrassing to ask questions about things that you think everyone else knows..*
So a wee guide of things I had to learn and kinda wish i'd known.. but y'know it's all part of the journey!

*Nay fancie pants boastin' here! terms I would *actually* use in my head!

Okay, so, your CPU has a 'Wall' a top boundary of how hard you can push it, based on your cooling and motherboard and how well you adjust your settings.. complicated already?? no sweat, we'll take it slow..

The idea is *not* to cobble parts together, but to have an idea what the comp will be used for from the start.. and so a [Purpose] I imagine most on here built their rigs as Gaming computers, as Gaming rigs are a kind of 'do it all' affair, they can do everything from Media Encoding and Streaming to Image Manipulation to Audio Production, although the RAM for AuP might change.

Air is lowest form of cooling, but even air can be more effective than water cooling, if the water cooling is done badly and the air cooling is done well, but air is super noisy regardless, note my rig..I was trained as a muso, I love sound, this is why my rig is the way it is. silent.

But we're starting with the basics, say you've just built your first rig, and want to know what all this 'Overclocking' fuss is all about..

So you made a rig for around £$ 300 or so, cheapo PSU hoping it won't blow up*, cheapo Biostar £$20 motherboard off ebay or such, AMD dual core, RAM and bits and bob's to fill the MIDI case (how do i know this?.. i did it too!).. but you want a faster computer for free! free is good! and lots of guys on here know how to do that!

Well, depending on your motherboards ability to adjust the Front Side Bus, FSB, which is the speed of that the Motherboard 'Talks' to the CPU, relies on whether you can Overclock at all! if your motherboard doesn't have the option to adjust this setting then you cannot do it at all!*

There are lots of scary settings in your BIOS*, that can harm your computer and make you lose the work you have already done, but getting into OverClocking also known as 'OC'ing' is a kinda of thing where, while there will be losses, you cut your losses and try again, if not, then think hard of what you value more, ..data and work, or growth and personal experience.

Firstly, hit whatever key takes you into the BIOS, just have a look around, you don't need to do anything except look and absorb the information that your seeing, the terms you are seeing are very ''coke and pepsi'' meaning they vary depending from one manufacturer to the next. One company calls something this, and another calls it that, but they are all the same thing. Don't worry though, when you ask around using those terms, people on here will know what you mean.

The ''FSB'' of the motherboard, is like the speed of a motorway, imagine you have a transit system, and on the transit system there are buses, the buses go around picking people up and dropping them off where they need to be, the people are data, and the Front Side Bus is the top speed of the motorway. If you tell the Motherboard the speed can go up, then it will send the buses faster around the system, and so the people/data will get there faster, but too fast and all the buses will crash and all the people/data will be lost.

So ..we don't get silly with the FSB. The guys on here prolly been OC'ing for years, they know their stuff, but ..they didn't start out that way from day one, and you shouldn't feel intimidated if you don't know something, remember they did the silly things too, made all the mistakes you're about to make, ..but hopefully this article will speed up your understanding of what's happening inside your computer and your understanding of overclocking.


The BIOS has more than one place it can tell the buses to speed up on the transit system, it can tell the buses to speed up at certain places, think of a posh village called 'NorthBridge' if you tell the buses to move fast there because the people/data is needed quickly, then this is what will happen.

The RAM is like the bus depot where people/data waits until needed.

The CPU is like a factory where all the people work, and the CPU Multiplier is like a work-shift in the factory and you can set how many hours they all work.

Lastly for this, A thing that chokes many a PC unnoticed, is 'Drive Bandwidth', the more harddrives you have, the more the your bandwidth can ease up and deliver data quicker and more orderly.



A few of *RULES OF THUMB* for PC building in general..

1. if something goes wrong it's *usually* the RAM.

2. The more you pay for your parts the more reliable the computer *usually* is as a whole. reliability is essential for OverClocking!

3. When Windows fails, and it will*, make sure you have your docs and pics and music backed up on another drive. drivers wouldn't hurt too.

4. Linux is HARD. it's like a whole separate hobby. not always but sometimes and often. Ubuntu is your best bet for Mac on PC.. go Intel and you should be fine. like Hackintoshing without the Hacking or the Toshing.

5. Finally, PC Gaming is an experience, but more than that, because you picked the parts yourself, waited for them to come, did your build, install after installed a huge variety of things, and now you get what other people were talking about.. performance. Your Computer that YOU built, prolly faster than anyone's computer you know, because you  built it. well done! 


peace

Dava



Notes (Click to hide)

*xd knows everything, so i guess he's the exception lolol  @ xd .. but for the rest of us..

*am Scottish n'sometimes it jist comes oot.

*NEVER cheap out on a PSU!

*I know about 'Software overclocking' but since canard took SetFSB off the radar, i think we're stuck. just IMO.

*not used an EFI yet personally.

*got a lot better over the years to be fair, but y'know.. it will happen :/

My Generation

My Generation Kboard Mouse And Controller Camps

By: dava4444

Posted 1/4/12 • Last updated 8/5/12 • 312 views • 0 comments

My Generation?

(KBoard/mouse and Controller camps)

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Hi Guys

Strong actions provoke equally strong reactions, and getting into PC gaming after many years of console use, i heard* about the 2K Bioshock 2 'prejudice' against the 360 or whatever controller on PC. if you like KB/M for gaming or a Controller it doesn't matter. these are only tools, not people, not people who are stealing your niche, I know about niche's and integrity, I was trained as a musician, selling out, which is what 2K thought they would be doing by pandering to crossover players, but it only turned into bitterness and 'LEETism' imo.

Perhaps one day, these tools will cross all boundaries, perhaps that will be the humble controller, the 360 is just a PowerPC after all. hmmm.

But to be fair.. the controller does not function as a 'complete' tool, as many PC gamers would miss the extra options, 104/114/124 keys is better than 14 and an 8 way? surely? my own bias opinions keep cropping up, like the Keyboard was acceptable for 80's text based adventures, the controller was designed for games.. but y'know that's exactly the sort of stupid bias i would like to see end.

And the mouse outshines the analogue stick any day of the week.

But it doesn't matter. you use these tools for you to enjoy yourself, not listen to bias camp rhetoric from either side.

I actually resent the keyboard and mouse as it makes me feel stupid.. not just uncomfortable but stupid.. which i hope I'm not. To enjoy my games, i like to switch off to the controls and just play.. but with so many keys on the keyboard versus so many consoles under my belt, how can I learn this new language ..when i was already happy with my old one... isn't the idea of games to have fun?

2K made a stand against controller based PC gaming, ..was it their intention to make me feel stupid? why didn't they want me to enjoy their game on PC? I am a generational gamer.. what am I to do?

they said 'the team had worked hard on the interface and that could not be translated using a controller'*

to answer this, i say, I used Xpadder fine and completed the game fine.

perhaps leet is not something you are but something you do*.

peace

Dava







*only recently, as I'm new to PC gaming

*quoted from memory

*the programmer of Xpadder, Jonathan Firth